But they're both correct, they're both natural, and they're both used commonly. AHHHHH. Yes, but plenty of people use it earnestly: as in, hmm, havent heard back hope they didnt forget but dont want to be a nag. I agree tbh. This gives me more confidence that the context will be correct, which is hard to trust with auto-correction apps", A real person editor is much2 better than a software editor. In the end, because she was unable to understand the issue I went to speak to the owner of the business, who immediately sent out an email clarifying the parking procedure. Ok, I know its old but ", I love how the editors make my work so much better. Plus I like telling people what to do. I have had people say thanks for all you do, which is really nice once in a while. I actually had a conversation with my boss about this last week. Its formal, but thats not the same as passive-aggressive. It would be considered very unusual for me to simply call someone, though. See a translation. of these changes. The phrase always brings her to mind. Im having a problem with this and Im not sure what to ask for but this is what we need. It doesnt seem mean to me at all. I often use it with my boss or MOR to get their advice i.e. There are a lot of things that I wish someone would have told me about at the very beginning especially email etiquette. My boss uses this and tells me to use it. I think I agree with the letter writer on this one. Agreed. Hmm, please let me know how to proceed seemed more formal and curt to me. Im still waiting for the Veeblefetzer Report, Please send it to me ASAP.. }; She then said What parking procedure? I think the point is that theyre giving you a heads up that they want to talk on the phone and doing you the courtesy of letting you wrap up whatever youre doing before calling them. If you are the disadvantaged party, this is what can we do to make you happy? If youre not, this is what are you going to do for me?. yeah I agree. you are reacting to i require when its being used as i need. I hate please advise! Please let us know if gets his speech back. Is it annoying? or Let me know if you can join me.? It reads to me like, I expect you do to this. ;). im consistently surprised/fascinated by the responses i read here, and its why ill never be able to stay away. Look what they did to poor MS Clippy! In the past, some researchers thought that if they did not include "don't know" options, they were forcing respondents to make choices about something they had no opinion about. But I think I mean more did I explain that in a way that makes sense than are you smart enough to understand this. And you could argue that business email is its own special little dialect. And of course I understand and noted in my OP that other English speaking nations use slang that is different from ours and sounds perfectly normal to them just as ours sounds annoying. If we didn't meet your expectations, we'd really like to know more. The phrase that drives me right up the wall is please do the needful. Let me know if I can be of any help. This is such an interesting conversation. Do something with it.. So now, any time I use that, it makes me laugh. 3. assigning women extra work to help them, calling out when youre in the ER, and more. Its really meaningless in this context, like How are you? when youre walking past someone and neither of you is going to stop and really talk about How You Are. Its super formal feeling, but Im told that literally everything else will be misinterpreted by someone. I just think its a nice transition to end an email. I dont use the phrase for one of the reasons Alison mentioned: Its too formal for my taste. Thats almost threatening. Ive been working in an administrative role for the past two years and have found your blog very helpful. I agree it is annoying to listen to. Although if I usually stop by to ask a question I always open with, Hi do you have a minute? so they can tell me if its not a great time to drop by and maybe come back five minutes later. I really think it depends on company culture. We talked about x but you did y, and Im really confused about how that happened. With furrowed brow and head tilt. Lots of possible transfers options for GW23. YES!!! I highly recommend it. But it does feel like theres a need to end the email with what youre looking for. If I am sending our a reminder, I usually just type just following up on the message I sent to you last week about A, B, and C or i just wanted to see if you had a chance to look at that e-mail I had sent to you the other day I do agree that it is hard to find a way to remind someone about something when you are just not sure if they had forgotten or if they are just swamped and are dealing with higher priorities. why? Not only does it annoy me because the person could have just called me, but I also now have a pit in my stomach, dreading whatever situation it is that requires a phone call without any written discussion. Prioritize Yourself. The issue is that they want to find a delicate way, which implies I dont think you can handle a straightforward mention that Im still waiting on this. The desire to more delicate than that is what grates. Extra formatting can just come off as shouting. And then ask me the question. I assume since it is done so often that it is just a common formal phrase used in this culture. One of the frequently used phrases was Please advice me further. At my old job, someone forgot and send wrong email to an internal listserv with about 1000 people, she realized the mistake in about 5 mins and quickly sent and apology email and a note to disregard. Then again, I fire up the imaginary laser vision whenever people use In Regards to instead of In regard to or even better regarding. So I guess everyone has pet peeves. Too much time in food service, probably. Being a defense agency, an acronym was created: V/r. I sometimes wish I could use 10-4 in emails (to mean recieved and understood). Please let me know when it is complete. Well, to be fair, I was trying to derail his political career. It has been an awesome way to improve my English skills. If the sender shows signs of taking my work for granted in other ways, or is just generally annoying, sometimes the grrr is mentally capitalized, bolded, italicized, and/or underlined. if you would prefer. Please let me know vs Please tell me. It feels like a power play. I have since found it an excellent catch-all phrase for any occasion. And then there are of course the people who reply all to say, hey, it will be posted, stop asking and then the inevitable please remove me from this list.. Makes sense to me; Im asking for advice from my boss. Fresh content for your texts, so you can be more professional. Why am I having to ask you for the same thing multiple times??! You might consider using "would be" instead of "is", as well, since the conditional is often more polite than the declarative. What/how about Monday for lunch? About half my relatives are from the South, and Ive never heard any of them use this phrase in anything other than a sincere way. It was generally used when copying someones boss to point out said mistake (and maybe even copying ones team members as well). She said the word alright way too much. I picked up the doubt thing from a really awesome math professor I had in college who would ask does anyone have any doubts? after going over something on the board. I wonder what would happen if you just said no to Can I ask you a question for a few days. :). I think the reason I hate it though is because usually, its not my job to advise the people who are asking me to advise them. Dont read in meaning or tone that isnt there. Im a conduit for information but dont have all the answers. I write that, too. Its gold when paired with and kindly revert. Because that essentially says, please do this, then undo everything you just did. And from people who should have known better than to reply all! Like the President will be here presently? Its never even occurred to me that someone would take issue with it. Give yourself time to think When you receive an offer, it's common to ask for at least one day and up to a week to consider the terms. In my mind, an employee who just comes to me and says please advise is taking the easy way out and making my job harder at the same time. Im surprised too. Yes, agreed. Sometimes I close with thanks for reading. +1. I dont really like the gentle reminder phrasing, but I guess I dont necessarily see a way around sending reminders. How can we move forward is similar in that respect, I think. = Sentence Notice that I switched the Verb and the Subject in the original question. Boss: We need to have Horatio sign it. It has become something that is passed on from one new person to another. and it drives me insane. I love seeing bitch eating crackers threaded through the various websites I read :-), Thats totally my thing. There must be a lot of secretly snotty people in the South who are thinking mean things when they say Bless your heart, but Im glad Ive not met them. please give me your knowledge so I can stop feeling stupid. which is so dumb, like Im thanking them for giving me work? When I get one from someone who is difficult or needy, I definitely do a bitch eating crackers face at the email. The original model was created digitally in Nomad Sculpt . But it definitely still sets off a trigger for me! I think it takes work to infer anything other than whats written in a work email. I can definitely think of specific people who only use please advise in the negative context. Traduccin Context Corrector Sinnimos Conjugacin. On many email systems, IT folks can lock down the major email lists with a restriction on who can send emails to them. As in, The task youve given me is physically impossible. So I guess thats why Im defend about the Please advise thing. That irritates me too. Is it possible theyre meaning Do you have time for a question? People around here use Can I ask you a question? all the time, and Im perfectly happy to say Nows not a good timecatch me when I break for lunch.. Monday . We have enjoyed serving you for the past five years. Now, someone in IT has figured out how to make all emails related to a conversation *poof* from the entire email network when something like this happens, so nobody has the email anymore to reply to all. Research indicates, however, that including "don't know" options actually produces more problems than it solves. It would if they had already asked the questions and this was just a gentle reminder.. 3 months ago. Certain phrases set me off too. Although Please advise can seem a bit blunt on its own, like most things it does depend on context and culture. I suspect part of the reason for our culture being this way is that we have a fairly open floorplan, so if we were to routinely talk at our desks, it would be disruptive. What date/time is most suitable/convenient for you? I also use it like this. You have travel plans, either work or non-work related You have a doctor's (or vet, or some other) appointment You have a religious commitment You're attending a conference or industry event You want to attend your child's school event, recital, or game You're dealing with a family matter You're dealing with a health matter I think we could write Please let me know which you prefer or What do you think? and offend nobody. And Id hope that someone would cut me some slack should I unknowingly pick the wrong set of words. The rest of my team backed away slowly when the work landed on my lap.). Its actually pretty nice, IMO I hate when someone calls me unexpectedly and wants me to look into some issue while Im in the middle of something (and hence most of the time I dont answer the phone if Im not expecting a call). Uh oh. Ive never heard sleeps in the US. On that note, has anyone noticed the difference in these two phrases? similar ( 8 ) Let me know your thoughts and advice below. God knows I can relate to pet peeves I have more of them than most people, probably, and I bristle at language that is unnecessarily rude but in truth, business email tends to use a lot of words, phrases, and conventions that really arent intended to be rude, or friendly, or have any emotional spin to them at all theyre used to convey a concept. should I tell the truth in my exit interview? I just mean I normally expect people to help me help them, by either spelling out the issue, and ideally by proposing at least one potential solution. Yes. There are many things to get upset about, but this doesnt strike me as a hill worth dieing on. Cause Im in Scotland, I can occasionally get away with wee reminder instead.I usually go with this is your 2nd reminder or maybe this is a reminder that the deadline for x is _, Coming from some people gentle reminder is scowl-inducing but wee reminder is great :). Shed been told about that by other staff, so I reminded her of that event, and then said, this is one reason the parking procedure was put in place. })(window, document); 2023 TextRanch, LLC. will also work. For me, Id rather people just ask me the question (assuming Im not on the phone in mid-sentence) rather than ask me if I have time or if Im busy. Please Keep Me Up To Date Time. Instead, we head to a conference room for almost all phone calls. Ive worked in three different offices, and this phrase was used by nobody at two of them, and then by virtually everybody at the third one. or Please let me know if you agree? its only used when i know theyll do it. Artificial intelligence still cannot do this ! This is the sixth call this week that Ive had from someone selling architectural features. Heeeeelllllloooooooo? Want more FREE revisions? Me too. You may think please advise is bratty, but the person sending it may think they are just being professionally neutral. Our admin has been sending these long, complicated emails. Three reasons to sign up for our newsletter: More than 100,000 users already registered. One thing I get frequently from my Indian co-workers is I have a doubt instead of saying I have a question. We use the yellow highlighter feature around here for emphasis, and it works very well. They make my head hurt and I can hardly get through reading them! Every time I get an email that ends with please advise I want to send one back that says I advise you to stop ending your emails with please advise! That is the most annoying phrase ever! Friday, 1/28: 10am - 12pm EST; 2pm - 4pm EST. When Im sending one email to three or four people, I try to clarify who is copied on the email and why (and if its an FYI and no action is needed from that person, I say that), and if I have questions for separate people, I put them on to: field and in the body of the email state the questions like so: Jane: Whats the status regarding this meeting? If you'd prefer to cancel your membership placed through Shipt by contacting our customer support team, you can call our dedicated line at (205) 259-7798 between 8 am - 8 pm CT. . Thanks, We will send you an email to confirm your account. There are a handful of people at work who use this on every.single.email. Although to be honest, if Im sending my boss an FYI email I usually indicate that. OP, yes, you are definitely interpreting it differently than it is intended. Mar 31, 2012 5:50 AM. 1st Option: Be the student who only gets average marks in every SAC and exam (50-60% in everything) and have a strong social life, while having fun memories at school. Comment: Thanks a lot for editors. +1. I read it as deferential. As it is, Im asking my recipient how they want me to reconcile the A and B that theyre asking for, not because Im blaming them or am throwing their request back into their court, but because I genuinely want to work together with them to find a feasible solution. use greater than/less than, not parentheses. I have used the kindly requesting bit. If its just an FYI, and theres no action, I dont put that, or any other question. If you wish to keep things light, you may also get rid of the formalities to make your addressee feel at ease. I dont think Ive heard anyone actually say Please advise outside of radio dispatch conversations. It can be At my job only see it used where the person isnt at their regular desk. Another is when I get an email that contains only call me. As a general rule, I think e-mail should be read with Hanlons razor in mind and should always be interpreted as though the writer meant well, unless proven otherwise. Option 1 likely will result in this behavior but Option 2 will accomplish this.. Or at the very least tell him what I think needs to be done, and just ask for his sign-off that its ok. Might depend on the person, but that doesnt sound like a power play. if its not a foregone conclusion, then no i wouldnt thank them in advance, because that wouldnt make sense. Ask what you mean to ask. Its funny, because to me, Please advise means exactly the same thing as Id appreciate your input on this. It really is a Know Your Office thing, I guess. Please advise. I guess I always thought of it as similar to Thanks for reading this e-mail or something. That seems really rude; after all, Im the one who is requesting the call so I should do the dialing. You need to say, at the end of the sentence, what it is you want both of you do. talk to you SOON. Please click the link that we've sent to this address to post your question to our experts.Ok, I'll check my email. Have you had a chance to look into this yet? and Any updates on this? also work for some people. Yeah, its more please give your overall thoughts or opinions on this matter versus a specific question. I dont use it all the time but will use it occasionally when she has dropped the ball again and pulled a Charlie Brown* on us. Please let me know when it is completed. This happens quite frequently in my current job and its quite normal. Get perfection for short pieces of text in just a few minutes. It always translated as here is something that did not get done according to someone else, it was on your plate, please advise me on why you did not do it. I invariably had to respond with here is what I did last month, this is when I sent the information, this is when I tried to contact that person and got no response, gosh its oily under this bus. (okay, the last bit was merely implied). She would ask why I hadnt responded or done X yet, and I would say that I didnt know that I needed to. Complete. The following dates/times (EST) work for me: Monday, 1/24: 11am - 12pm EST; 2pm - 3pm EST. Well, except when someone isnt responding. I agree that benefit of the doubt is important when reading emails just because tone can be hard to convey correctly sometimes, but it seems like an oxymoron to say dont read into tone that isnt there when you have no way to know what the tone is supposed to be aside from what you can grasp by the words the sender used. I work with people in India a lot and they do say Please do the needful which is quirky English but not offensive or particularly grating to me. That is why I asked the OP if there were more issues at play in this office. The. There are a lot of other options on how to send it I could send it on a different (non-direct) flight tonight, I could have them send it out on the first direct flight tomorrow morning, I could ship it Fedex overnight, I could use a private courier, I could send it on a flight operated by a different airline, or they could have a different location send the part. I agree that using it the opposite way irritates. As in, Attached is the xyz report. We used to have this. ok, thanks all. Thats going to tip it towards a stern request that you fix something without any further input from them. Its not the check-in; thats polite enough. Its just that, were putting covers on ALL TPS reports now. This answer is: Hide . I sometimes use Your thoughts? for the same thing. The recipient is dealing with a quality crisis related to last months collector teapot and all other work has been postponed until early next week. how do you handle being pregnant at work? w.attachEvent("onload", loader); In most cases, I find that the person writing this at the end of an email already asked me a question in the email. What if it is outside their scope? Thank you! Just hope that boss doesnt respond with yes. And nothing else. Personally, I never end my emails with Please advise. It just is not my style and I dont like how extremely formal it feels. We can either 1) switch to white chocolate 2) continue with milk chocolate or 3) form a team to identify new chocolate options. Privacy Policy(function (w, d) { Could you then make a joke out of it but one that also gets across your point that asking that question is wasting your time? If you feel the organization is still interested in my application, please let me know as soon as possible and we can discuss how best to move forward. Or let someone else unemployed for months have your job instead? Wow, thats a strong reaction to a simple and standard email closing! Please let me know your preferred way of dealing with this. Of course, Id try to say it more diplomatically. We realize that we have likely missed some great companies, so please let us know if we missed you. Me: Heres a selection of potential images for the brochure. Because it's a special occasions. Nothing is worse than the evil Thanks in advance. To me it reads That was not a request! (Or, they just dont know better.). Apparently its a standard phrase in Indian English (and not at all meant to be insulting), and Ive seen it in emails between Indian coworkers a few times now. Am I being overly sensitive? What did you get done?: Oh, just the needful.. 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